My conversations with niac on Iran situation
Below is an exact transcript of an online conversation I had with nobar elmi on the situation in Iran. What niac does NOT understand that calls for action in the name of upholding human rights is just another justification for invading Iran, and that the so-called human rights abuses are often unsubstantiated and for Iranians to handle, not for foreign powers to meddle in.
From:"Peter Khan Zendran"
To:"Nobar Elmi"
Date:Mon, 7 Mar 2011 4:44 PM (2 days ago)
Your response is delusional. The call for human rights is being promoted to justify invasion. Unless you're living under a rock you would have noticed the us military has increased it's presence in the Middle east after the unrest in Egypt, Bahrain and Libya in the name of human rights, and an attack is in all probability imminent.
Furthermore, I recieved your response about the"green movement" it is a pack of lies. Had you checked my blogs and links you would have seen that I and others have shown that the "green movement" is backed by the council on foreign relations and the cia.
If you are going to put out these lies and myth then do NOT send me your gohenahang.
Peter Khan Zendran
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:31 -0500, "Nobar Elmi" wrote:
The case for war is already being pushed by the ‘pro-war’ elements on the Hill. (Believe me … they are very active and very loud.) We can either remain quiet and let them work their magic OR we can promote the alternative to war by emphasizing the importance of and need for human rights. We’re taking steps to ensure human rights is on the table, by doing things such as working to ensure there is an independent UN human rights monitor and encouraging the dialogue.
-Nobar
From: Peter Khan Zendran [mailto:peterkhanzendran@fastmail.fm]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 4:21 PM
To: Nobar Elmi
Subject: RE: Invite: Answering the Iranian People's Call for Human Rights
What you are ignoring is that by slamming Iran for human rights violations you are making the inevatibility of war, be it with america, israel, or a civil war, inevitable. The niac principles on human rights are contradictory and lay the foundation for further conflict, not settlement. You can't have it both ways here.
Peter Khan Zendran
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:15 -0500, "Nobar Elmi" wrote:
Hello Peter,
NIAC works very hard to emphasize that politicians cannot be in favor of human rights in Iran while simultaneously in favor of war or “crippling” sanctions. See this NIAC op-ed in the Huffington Post, for example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawn-amoei/neocon-war-plans-undermin_b_679783.html
Our efforts, and specifically this conference, is intended to promote a discussion on the constructive steps that can be taken to promote human rights while expressing a strong opposition to war.
To pull directly from our website:
NIAC's Principles on Human Rights
•Human rights must be protected as part of any final negotiated settlement between the US and Iran. •Military confrontation with Iran must be prevented because war is the ultimate human rights disaster.•We must continue to draw attention to human rights violations in Iran and ensure the Iranian government is held accountable for its actions.It is up to the pro-peace community to emphasize that human rights and peace are reinforcing values. If our community doesn’t speak up, Members of Congress - and the community at large - will only hear from the other side.
I hope this helps clarify our position.
Regards,
Nobar
From: Peter Khan Zendran [mailto:peterkhanzendran@fastmail.fm]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 3:56 PM
To: Nobar Elmi, NIAC
Subject: Re: Invite: Answering the Iranian People's Call for Human Rights
I am wondering if niac and the speakers are aware that they are using "human rights" in the same way "weapons of mass destruction" was used 8 years ago.
Peter Khan Zendran
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:15 -0600, "Nobar Elmi, NIAC" wrote:
Dear Friend,
You are invited to NIAC’s March 15 Capitol Hill conference, Answering the Iranian People’s Call for Human Rights, featuring Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Suzanne Nossel, Swedish Ambassador Jonas Hafström, Congressional Progressive Caucus Chairman Keith Ellison (D-MN), and Nazila Fathi of the New York Times. The conference will examine a productive international approach necessary to address Iran's human rights crisis and provide needed space for Iran's democracy movement, and will highlight critical efforts underway to establish a UN human rights monitor for Iran this March.
I hope you can join us for this great event. Space is limited so please RSVP by Friday, March 11. We are also planning to webcast the event for those who are unable to attend in person.
Sincerely,
Nobar Elmi
Director of Community Outreach & Programming
Answering the Iranian People's Call for Human Rights
Tuesday, March 15th 2011
Dirksen Senate Building
Washington, DC 20005
8:30a.m. – 1:00p.m. EST
RSVP Here
With Special Addresses by:
Suzanne Nossel
U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations
Ambassador Jonas Hafström
Ambassador of Sweden to the United States
Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN)
Original Sponsor of Stand with Iranian People Act
Nazila Fathi
Former New York Times correspondent based in Iran
A Panel Discussion:
The Human Rights Crisis and Iran’s Democracy Movement
Nader Hashemi
Co-Editor of The People Reloaded: The Green Movement and the Struggle for Iran's Future
Alireza Nader
International Policy Analyst,
Rand Corporation
Sarah Leah Whitson
Middle East and North Africa Director,
Human Rights Watch
Breakfast and Refreshments will be served.
RSVP ONLY by March 11th – RSVP Here
(http://www.niacouncil.org/hrconference)
Priority given to Members of Congress, Staff, & Accredited Media
For more information email lsamimi@niacouncil.org or call (202) 386-6325
Sponsored by Connect U.S. Fund, Ploughshares Fund, and Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
The views of the aforementioned individuals are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the National Iranian American Council.
National Iranian American Council | 1411 K Street NW, Suite 600 | Washington, DC 20005
Nobar Elmi
Director of Community Outreach & Programming
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From:"Peter Khan Zendran"
To:"Nobar Elmi"
Date:Mon, 7 Mar 2011 4:44 PM (2 days ago)
Your response is delusional. The call for human rights is being promoted to justify invasion. Unless you're living under a rock you would have noticed the us military has increased it's presence in the Middle east after the unrest in Egypt, Bahrain and Libya in the name of human rights, and an attack is in all probability imminent.
Furthermore, I recieved your response about the"green movement" it is a pack of lies. Had you checked my blogs and links you would have seen that I and others have shown that the "green movement" is backed by the council on foreign relations and the cia.
If you are going to put out these lies and myth then do NOT send me your gohenahang.
Peter Khan Zendran
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:31 -0500, "Nobar Elmi"
The case for war is already being pushed by the ‘pro-war’ elements on the Hill. (Believe me … they are very active and very loud.) We can either remain quiet and let them work their magic OR we can promote the alternative to war by emphasizing the importance of and need for human rights. We’re taking steps to ensure human rights is on the table, by doing things such as working to ensure there is an independent UN human rights monitor and encouraging the dialogue.
-Nobar
From: Peter Khan Zendran [mailto:peterkhanzendran@fastmail.fm]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 4:21 PM
To: Nobar Elmi
Subject: RE: Invite: Answering the Iranian People's Call for Human Rights
What you are ignoring is that by slamming Iran for human rights violations you are making the inevatibility of war, be it with america, israel, or a civil war, inevitable. The niac principles on human rights are contradictory and lay the foundation for further conflict, not settlement. You can't have it both ways here.
Peter Khan Zendran
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:15 -0500, "Nobar Elmi"
Hello Peter,
NIAC works very hard to emphasize that politicians cannot be in favor of human rights in Iran while simultaneously in favor of war or “crippling” sanctions. See this NIAC op-ed in the Huffington Post, for example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawn-amoei/neocon-war-plans-undermin_b_679783.html
Our efforts, and specifically this conference, is intended to promote a discussion on the constructive steps that can be taken to promote human rights while expressing a strong opposition to war.
To pull directly from our website:
NIAC's Principles on Human Rights
•Human rights must be protected as part of any final negotiated settlement between the US and Iran. •Military confrontation with Iran must be prevented because war is the ultimate human rights disaster.•We must continue to draw attention to human rights violations in Iran and ensure the Iranian government is held accountable for its actions.It is up to the pro-peace community to emphasize that human rights and peace are reinforcing values. If our community doesn’t speak up, Members of Congress - and the community at large - will only hear from the other side.
I hope this helps clarify our position.
Regards,
Nobar
From: Peter Khan Zendran [mailto:peterkhanzendran@fastmail.fm]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 3:56 PM
To: Nobar Elmi, NIAC
Subject: Re: Invite: Answering the Iranian People's Call for Human Rights
I am wondering if niac and the speakers are aware that they are using "human rights" in the same way "weapons of mass destruction" was used 8 years ago.
Peter Khan Zendran
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:15 -0600, "Nobar Elmi, NIAC"
Dear Friend,
You are invited to NIAC’s March 15 Capitol Hill conference, Answering the Iranian People’s Call for Human Rights, featuring Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Suzanne Nossel, Swedish Ambassador Jonas Hafström, Congressional Progressive Caucus Chairman Keith Ellison (D-MN), and Nazila Fathi of the New York Times. The conference will examine a productive international approach necessary to address Iran's human rights crisis and provide needed space for Iran's democracy movement, and will highlight critical efforts underway to establish a UN human rights monitor for Iran this March.
I hope you can join us for this great event. Space is limited so please RSVP by Friday, March 11. We are also planning to webcast the event for those who are unable to attend in person.
Sincerely,
Nobar Elmi
Director of Community Outreach & Programming
Answering the Iranian People's Call for Human Rights
Tuesday, March 15th 2011
Dirksen Senate Building
Washington, DC 20005
8:30a.m. – 1:00p.m. EST
RSVP Here
With Special Addresses by:
Suzanne Nossel
U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations
Ambassador Jonas Hafström
Ambassador of Sweden to the United States
Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN)
Original Sponsor of Stand with Iranian People Act
Nazila Fathi
Former New York Times correspondent based in Iran
A Panel Discussion:
The Human Rights Crisis and Iran’s Democracy Movement
Nader Hashemi
Co-Editor of The People Reloaded: The Green Movement and the Struggle for Iran's Future
Alireza Nader
International Policy Analyst,
Rand Corporation
Sarah Leah Whitson
Middle East and North Africa Director,
Human Rights Watch
Breakfast and Refreshments will be served.
RSVP ONLY by March 11th – RSVP Here
(http://www.niacouncil.org/hrconference)
Priority given to Members of Congress, Staff, & Accredited Media
For more information email lsamimi@niacouncil.org or call (202) 386-6325
Sponsored by Connect U.S. Fund, Ploughshares Fund, and Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
The views of the aforementioned individuals are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the National Iranian American Council.
National Iranian American Council | 1411 K Street NW, Suite 600 | Washington, DC 20005
Nobar Elmi
Director of Community Outreach & Programming
__________________________
National Iranian American Council
1411 K St. NW Ste. 600
Washington, DC 20005
ph: (202) 386-6325
Web: www.niacouncil.org
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"History will burden those leaders with blood guilt if they do not act according to their professional and statesmanely principles and knowledge. Their soldierly loyalty must end at the boundary where their knowledge, conscience, and sense of responsibility forbid the execution of an order. In case their advice and warnings fall on deaf ears in such circumstances, then they have the right and the duty, before the people and history, to resign their offices. If they all act together, then it will be impossible to carry out military action. They will thereby saved the Fatherland from the worst, from total ruin. If a soldier in a position of highest authority in such times see his duties and tasks only within the limits of his military responsibilities, without consciousness of his higher responsibility to the whole people, then he shows a lack of greatness, a lack of comprehension of responsibility. Extraordinary times demand extraordinary actions!"
Generaloberst Ludwig Beck
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http://www.myspace.com/peterkhanzendran
http://www.youtube.com/user/PeterKhanZendran
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Peter-II-Khan-e-Mazendaran/162268670462744
http://peterkhanzendran.wordpress.com/
http://twitter.com/peterzendran
"History will burden those leaders with blood guilt if they do not act according to their professional and statesmanely principles and knowledge. Their soldierly loyalty must end at the boundary where their knowledge, conscience, and sense of responsibility forbid the execution of an order. In case their advice and warnings fall on deaf ears in such circumstances, then they have the right and the duty, before the people and history, to resign their offices. If they all act together, then it will be impossible to carry out military action. They will thereby saved the Fatherland from the worst, from total ruin. If a soldier in a position of highest authority in such times see his duties and tasks only within the limits of his military responsibilities, without consciousness of his higher responsibility to the whole people, then he shows a lack of greatness, a lack of comprehension of responsibility. Extraordinary times demand extraordinary actions!"
Generaloberst Ludwig Beck
--
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