Thursday, February 24, 2011

Exposing the provaceturs behind the riots in Libya

Below is my response to anarchist international's taking credit for being behind the Libyan riots. It is bad enough that the nigger in the white house is planning military action against his fellow Africans, but to have these provaceturs call themselves revolutionaries and spread blatant lies is sickening. More power to Qaddafi and those opposing these provaceturs who's start riots in the name of anarchy and demorcracy, destabilize countries, and pave the way for invasion by the very forces they claim to oppose.

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:53 PM
From: "Peter Khan Zendran"
To: "Anarchist International Information Service - AIIS" , kuriltai@lists.riseup.net
Cc: "International newsmedia and mandated persons" , "Anarchists and syndicalists etc."
Subject: Re: The situation in Libya - dialog - update 2.


While I may be authoritarian I am NOT a marxist, I am a Titoist.
I have also been in enough conflicts, including physical conflicts, with the pigs and have done them damage on numerous occasions. That has included conflicts where I have had to deal with provaceturs who called themselves anarchists. Your nonsensical statements against leaders who benefit their people and statements in support of acts which will benefit tyrants and tyrannical coroporations only confirm this.
What you call scientific reasoning is nothing more than the propaganda of the very tyrants you claim to oppose.
GO TO HELL WHERE YOU BELONG AND DO NOT SEND ME THIS SHIT.
Peter Khan Zendran



On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:48 +0100, "Anarchist International Information Service - AIIS" wrote:
Hello again Peter Khan Zendran ,

Thank you again for interesting feedback.

They way you 'argument' fully reveal your marxist policy and that you are a marxist, authoritarian, and far from anarchist, proven beyond reasonable doubt by your own writings.

Your de facto marxist dialectical, pseudoscientific, hysterical rant is not scientific and matter of fact, and have thus no effect on us and the Anarchist International in general.

AI-members only listen to matter of fact scientific reasoning, not marxist dialectical pseudoscience and invectives - lies.

We have presented to you facts and results of real scientific research, and you will not listen, i.e. typically marxist and marxism and for marxists: Authoritarian and arrogant.

@-greetings B. Hansen for AIIS and AI

PS. We send our newsletters to several marxists for discussion and fun, but they are of course not networkmembers of AI. You will hear from us - a form of (click on:) direct action against your authoritarian marxism... But you are of course not an anarchist and not a member of AI.

As for USA - read IIFOR's and AI's resolution, decided with general consent on the International Anarchist Congress - and feel free to tell us what you think:

USA on the economic-political map - new president 2009 but no significant change in the system's coordinates

Once the well known anarchist Noam Chomsky was asked : "Would you describe the US as it is now as a fascist state?" Chomsky answered: "Far from it. In many respects it is the most free country in the world." It is true that the USA is far from fascist, and rather free. USA is ranked as no 22 among the countries in the world according to libertarian degree. Thus it is among the 25 most libertarian countries in the world.

The US' system is not fascist, but liberalist, located in the conservative sector of the liberalist quadrant of the economic-political map, see System theory and EP-map, at about 57%-60% authoritarian degree, the point estimate for USA at ca 57,5%, i.e. a libertarian degree at ca 42,5%.

The degree of capitalism in USA is estimated to ca 75,5%, i.e. very significant (the degree of socialism is only ca 24,5%). The gini-index is estimated to 40.8, i.e. significantly above 35.0. As a rule of the thumb a gini-index below 35.0 indicates socialism, while a gini-index equal to or above 35.0 indicates capitalism/economical plutarchy. Also several other indicators point to a high degree of capitalism, although a relatively high efficiency indicates an opposite tendency.

The degree of statism is estimated to ca 30,2%, and thus the degree of autonomy is ca 69,8%, i.e. very significant. This relatively high degree of autonomy is partly due to USA's strong regional and international position, partly due to the domestic situation, i.e. relatively low taxes and "small government", much NGOs, a functioning political/administrative democracy, also with primary elections, and tendencies of direct democracy in some states, etc.

However, these economical-political tendencies seen all in all are clearly authoritarian, but far from totalitarian, i.e. more than 67% authoritarian degree. These coordinates of the US system are average long term structural estimates, and today we see no tendencies of a significant change. Some people fear a development of the USA in fascist, ultra-authoritarian, direction, but the Anarchist International and IIFOR see no clear tendencies in this direction at the moment, although the people, seen as a class as opposed to the superiors in rank and /or income, should always be on the alert against fascist, ultra-authoritarian tendencies.

2008: The president election 2008 is a choice between neo-conservatives (Republicans) and conservatives (Democrats) and will probably not change the system in USA significantly. We have thus no expectations to the demagogue Barack Obama regarding significant change of the US system's coordinates. 2009: The president of USA, since 2009, Barack Obama, has limited influence, a powerful lobby of the military-industrial complex has most of the power, and the fundamental domestic and international aims of USA are not changed. We will probably see some marginal, mostly cosmetical changes, but no significant change of the system's coordinates on the economic-political map. As far as this issue of the new president, president Obama, having taken over and this continuing, the AI has always been saying that policies don't change much with personalities. Policies have national interests, and policies depend on an environment. The environment and national interests of the United States are the same. Obama has said USA shall lead, i.e. rule, the world. The anarchists strongly oppose this megalomaniac approach.

28.04.2009. The Obama-government's first big mistake. A YouTube video showed panicked New Yorkers scrambling as a Boeing 747 followed by a fighter plane flew frighteningly close to the lower Manhattan skyline. The Federal Aviation Administration said the aircraft, which functions as Air Force One when the president is aboard, was taking part in a classified, government-sanctioned photo shoot. Fran Townsend, who advised President George W. Bush for more than three years, called the move "crass insensitivity" in the wake of 9/11: "I'd call this felony stupidity." The half-hour flight triggered the evacuation of a number of office buildings in the city - Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he was "furious" he had not been warned. On Tuesday, Obama told reporters, "It was a mistake. It was something we found out about along with all of you. And it will not happen again." 08.05.2009. White House Military Office Director Louis Caldera has resigned amid controversy over a low-altitude flyover of New York. So Obama seems to put the blame on his subordinates. Obama should take the full responsibility himself.

15.05.2009. Anger at Obama Guantanamo ruling. Civil liberties groups and anarchists have reacted angrily to US President Barack Obama's decision to revive military trials for some Guantanamo Bay detainees. 18.11.2009. US President Barack Obama has for the first time admitted that the US will miss the January 2010 deadline he set for closing the Guantanamo Bay prison. Mr Obama made the admission in interviews with US TV networks during his tour of Asia. Also this time civil liberties groups and anarchists have reacted angrily. 15.12.2009 The Obama administration said it will move some Guantanamo Bay detainees to an Illinois prison, the Thomson Correctional Center, and hold US military commission trials there. Anarchists and others criticized Obama's plan as a.o.t a security risk. This move seems to create more problems than it solves, anarchists say. 23.12.2009. Rebuffed by skeptical lawmakers when it sought finances to buy an Illinois prison, the Obama administration is unlikely to close the Guantánamo Bay prison until 2011 at the earliest. 05.01.2010. Obama says he remains committed to closing the Guantanamo Bay detention center in Cuba, but not in January 2010 as promised.

10.11.2009. Anarchist comment to US President Barack Obama's response to last week's killings of 13 people at an army base in Texas, that of course the anarchists condemn.

Mr Obama's comments came in an address to a memorial service for the victims of the Fort Hood shootings, after he met relatives of those who died. Maj Nidal Malik Hasan, who was carrying out the massacre, was shot by police and remains in hospital. US intelligence authorities have said they knew Maj Hasan had been in contact with a cleric sympathetic to al-Qaeda.

Mr Obama said "It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy, but this much we do know - no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favour," he continued. "And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice - in this world, and the next."

Anarchists at large are atheists, with a small dash of agnosticism, and thus believe about zero in "the next" world be it heaven, limbo or hell or something else, and we find it strange that Obama and his "we", "know" so much about "the next" world. How can Obama be certain that "the killer will be met with justice - in this world, and the next "? The anarchists at large are not among Obama's "we". He does not speak for us.

Anarchists are against capital punishment and other barbaric and authoritarian punishment "in this world" and believe about zero of punishment and justice in "the next", see Anarchism and Human Rights, Libertarian Human Rights . This is justice. Obama is a) for capital punishment and thus at odds with justice and should b) leave the practically certain lies about justice in "the next" world to a professional lier, and real beast, as the catholic pope. Obama's comments in this case confirm the megalomaniac tendency of Obama's ideas. The anarchists don't trust Obama and we warn others about this dangerous authority, practically certain at odds with justice and reality. Obama may be worse than Bush... What will be the next???

14.01.2010. About the earthquake in Haiti. "This is one of those moments that calls out for American leadership," according to US President Barack Obama who has announced fresh help for Haiti. Help is of course OK and supported by the anarchists, but "American leadership", i.e. ruler of the world - NO - the Anarchist International declares.

25.04.2010. Obama is obsessed with ruling the world, and is thus clearly opposed to the anarchists' real-democratic approach. An Internet search for "Obama lead world" gave the following headlines: "Obama lead world nuke talks", "Obama pledges to lead world into nuclear-free future", "Obama promises to lead world on climate change", "Obama: US will lead world in building next-gen clean cars", "US President Barack Obama has announced plans to invest billions of dollars in new nuclear power stations, should Australia follow Obama's lead," "We must lead the world: 'The Obama doctrine'", "Obama to world: 'We're ready to lead again'", and many more!!! "American leadership", i.e. ruler of the world - NO - the Anarchist International repeats.

12.08.2010. Gloomy picture for the people in the USA. More Americans fell into foreclosure in July as a sour job market kept them from making payments, and banks took over homes at a near record pace. Registered unemployment held at 9.5 percent in July but would have been higher if discouraged people had not left the workforce. The real unemployment may thus be much higher than 9.5 percent. Pessimism over the economy is rising and the grim mood could hurt both parties in the November 2 congressional elections, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released on Wednesday 11.08.2010. Almost two-thirds of Americans believe the economy will worsen before it gets better, up from 53 percent who felt that way in January, the poll found.

Nearly six in 10 of those surveyed said the country is headed in the wrong direction, a percentage that has held steady in NBC/WSJ polling throughout the year. More than half of respondents said they disapprove of the way President Barack Obama is handling the economy. The poll also found Americans were split on Obama's overall job performance, with 48 percent saying they disapprove and 47 saying they approve. Unfortunately Obama and USA don't follow the advice from the World Economic Council - WEC, and must face the music.

28.10.2010. Ad midterm elections 2010: Perhaps the Democrats tendencially is the most libertarian of the parties, i.e. the least authoritarian party alternative, after all. But in general, vote for the candidate you think will do the best job, i.e. be most libertarian and thus least authoritarian, regardless of party. However, the Anglophone Anarchist Federation, section USA, calls on a boycott of the Tea Party candidates at the midterm elections 2010. 03.11.2010. Republicans rode a tide of voter discontent to take control of the House of Representatives and expand their voice in the Senate in elections Tuesday.

29.11.2010. USA = Unenlightened plutarchy plus unenlightened diplomacy. US-type diplomatic language. WikiLeaks has published some reports of the Obama-regime's diplomatic efforts: As to diplomats' portrayals of world leaders, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is said to have been holding "wild parties" and is described as feckless, vain and ineffective and sharing a close relationship with the "alpha dog", Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. PM Putin is also called 'Batman' and President Medvedev 'Robin'. President Nicolas Sarkozy of France is said to be thin-skinned and authoritarian. The WikiLeaks documents also described Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi as erratic and in the near constant company of a Ukrainian nurse who was described as "a voluptuous blonde". The Afghan president Hamid Karzai is described as paranoid. Etc. etc.! "My, my... what a diplomatic language," says a spokesperson for the Anglophone Anarchist Federation to AIIS.

The extreme capitalism/economical plutarchy in USA makes violation of fundamental workers' rights
The 'American dream' is a nightmare for the people, seen as a class in contrast to the superiors in income and/or rank
There is a $4 billion union-busting industry which aims at undermining trade union organizing

There is a poor record on worker protection, particularly in the areas of trade union rights and child labor, areas in which serious violations continue to take place. US law excludes large groups of workers from the right to organize. These include agricultural workers, many public sector workers, domestic workers, supervisors and independent contractors. Moreover, for most private sector workers forming labor federations is extremely difficult and anti-union pressure from employers is frequent. There is a huge union-busting industry which aims at undermining trade union organizing. Some 82 per cent of employers hire such companies that employ a wide range of anti-union tactics. Employers also force employees to listen to anti-union propaganda and threaten workers with company closures if they vote to form a labor federation. The US administration, rather than leading the way on protection of the rights of working people and on decent pay and conditions, has been intent on denying the freedom to join a union and bargain collectively to millions of American workers. This hurts America's working people and has a negative impact on workers' rights in other countries as well. Figures from the US Department of Labor show that the Bush Administration has been cutting back even further on labor law enforcement, now spending an average of only US$26 per employer, while spending on rigorous oversight of trade union activities amounts to an average of $2,500 per union/local union. This will probably not change much under the Obama Administration.

The Employee Free Choice Act, which would redress some of the imbalances workers are subject to, was blocked by Senate Republicans last year despite passing the House of Representatives and gaining majority support in the Senate. Moreover, the National Labor Relations Board took a number of decisions in 2007 which withdrew various workers' protections and weakened already ineffective remedies. Among these decisions was one that makes it harder for workers who are illegally fired to recover back pay and another to make it easier to discriminate against employees who are union representatives. Child labor is in many cases not effectively addressed in the US, particularly in agriculture and not least because of the hazardous conditions that children are exposed to. Many of the children are migrant farm workers, often Latino. Not enough urgency is being shown with the Children's Act for Responsible Employment (CARE) currently before the Subcommittee on Workforce Protections of the House of Representatives, which would bring standards for children working in agriculture in line with standards for other sectors. Moreover, child labor inspections are falling.

Concerning discrimination and remuneration it should be noted that women continue to earn less than men (80.8%), and that for most women of color this gap is even larger. Women earn less in every occupational category, even in occupations where they outnumber men. Nurses and middle school teachers earn 10% less than their male colleagues even though over 80% of the employees are female. Forced labor remains a problem in the US, in particular with forced labor in agriculture for migrant workers, and manufacturing (garments) in US overseas territories, in particular the Northern Mariana Islands. Working conditions are severe, and recruitment practices often result in indentured servitude.

14.01.2010. Social dumping. Immigrant sheepherders endure harsh work, low pay. Alone and thousands of miles from home, the immigrant sheepherder roams some of the West's most desolate and frigid landscapes, tending a flock for as little as $600 a month without a day off on the horizon. Colorado Legal Services, a Denver-based nonprofit legal assistance network, visited sheepherders with temporary work visas in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming and found they sometimes toil more than 90 hours a week, can't leave the isolated sites where they work and are grossly underpaid by US standards. Rep. Daniel Kagan, a Democrat from Denver, said sheepherders often don't speak English, don't know where they are, and depend entirely on their employers for food, water and contact with the outside world. "It struck me as a situation rife with the possibility of abuse, and I was afraid that we were looking at a situation of indentured servitude, of near slavery, right here in Colorado, and that troubled me a lot," Kagan said. The struggling US sheep industry argues the immigrants - and the current pay scale - are crucial to its survival and that the jobs give foreign workers opportunities for a better life back home. That is how the US capitalism works.

29.09.2010. Unresolved problems with the right to organize and other fundamental rights. USA still has a poor record on workers' protection, particularly with regard to trade union rights and child labor, areas in which serious violations continue to take place. US law excludes large groups of workers from the right to organize. These include agricultural workers, many public sector workers, domestic workers, supervisors and independent contractors. Moreover, for most private sector workers forming trade unions is extremely difficult and anti-union pressure from employers is frequent. There is a $4 billion union-busting industry which aims at undermining trade union organizing. Some 82 per cent of employers hire such companies that employ a wide range of anti-union tactics. Employers often force employees to listen to anti-union propaganda and threaten workers with company closures if they vote to form a trade union.

The rather limited "Employee Free Choice Act", which would redress a few of the imbalances workers are subject to, continues to be blocked by Senate Republicans despite passing the House of Representatives and gaining majority support in the Senate. Child labor is in many cases not effectively addressed in the US, particularly in agriculture and not least because of the hazardous conditions that children are exposed to. Many of the children are migrant farm workers, often Latino. The main labor confederation in USA, AFL-CIO, estimates that between 300,000 and 800,000 children are employed in agriculture under dangerous conditions. Moreover, the number of child labor inspections has been falling. Concerning gender discrimination, women continue to earn less than men (77.1%). While women represent 47.8% of total employment, only 29.0% of executive and senior level officials and managers are women. Furthermore women have no guarantee of paid family leave. Finally, forced labor remains a problem in the US, in particular with forced labor in agriculture for migrant workers. Sources: AIIS and ITUC.

1 in 6 went hungry in America in 2008

Forty-nine million people in American households — one in six — went hungry or had insufficient food at some point in 2008, the highest number since the government began tracking the problem in 1995. The biggest increases were among households with children and people who were hungry most often. The report, issued by the US Department of Agriculture, found that 17 million people in the US went hungry or did not eat regularly for a few days of each month over seven or eight months last year. That's a 45% increase from 12 million people in 2007. In 2008, 16.7 million children did not eat regularly at some point, up from 12.4 million in 2007. 17.11.2009.

The share of residents of USA in poverty climbed to 14.3 percent in 2009 and the increase is continuing

The percentage of Americans struggling below the poverty line in 2009 was the highest it has been in 15 years, the Census Bureau reported Thursday 16.09.2010, and interviews with poverty experts and aid groups said the increase appeared to be continuing this year. With the country in its worst economic depression and crisis since the Great Depression, four million additional Americans found themselves in poverty in 2009, with the total reaching 44 million, or one in seven residents. And the numbers could have climbed higher: One way embattled Americans have gotten by is sharing homes with siblings, parents or even nonrelatives, sometimes resulting in overused couches and frayed nerves but holding down the rise in the national poverty rate, according to the report. The share of residents in poverty climbed to 14.3 percent in 2009, the highest level recorded since 1994. The rise was steepest for children, with one in five affected, the bureau said. For a single adult in 2009, the poverty line was $10,830 in pretax cash income; for a family of four, $22,050.

USA has still not ratified United Nations' ILO Convention 98 on the Right to Organize and Collective Bargaining

The United Nations' International Labour Organization, ILO's Convention 98 on the Right to Organize and Collective Bargaining has still not been ratified by countries such as USA, Canada, China, India, Iran, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Thailand, and Vietnam. Thus, approximately half of the world's economically active population is not covered by this worker friendly Convention, with USA up front. ILO Convention 98 was established in 1949, and among many other countries the Anarchies of Norway, Switzerland and Iceland have ratified this convention.

Unenlightened plutarchy

The system in USA is what economic Nobel Prize winner and anarchist Ragnar Frisch called an "unenlightened plutarchy", see the basic ideas of Frisch. For the World Economic Council's program against unenlightened plutarchy for the USA, see the WEC resolutions. USA has a long road to go before it becomes an anarchy, socialist and autonomous. It will probably not happen while Obama is in charge.

USA, see the WEC resolutions. USA has a long road to go before it becomes an anarchy, socialist and autonomous. It will probably not happen while Obama is in charge.

Unenlightened plutarchy, plutarchy in general and plutocracy

In the American Webster's unabridged dictionary second edition the word plutarchy is mentioned, and also plutocracy. Plutarchy means rule by the rich or rule of money, a form of archy [by finance-lords and similar, enronism, etc.]. Plutarchy may be economical and/or political/administrative. Economical plutarchy is the same as capitalism. Capitalism has two main forms, liberalism and fascism, economical plutarchy is significant in both. The economical plutarchists are the capitalists, the relatively rich, superiors in income.

Plutocracy is a form of "cracy", as in democracy, the word plutocracy may 1. mean the same as plutarchy, 2. but also just mean management by the rich or related to money. In an anarchism vs other -isms context, to be precise, the concept plutarchy is in general used, not the more diffuse plutocracy. The term "unenlightened plutarchy, "uopplyst pengevelde", was used by Ragnar Frisch about liberalism, the typical unenlightened plutarchy, but it may also be used about fascism. As a tendency in a bit curtailed form the unenlightened plutarchy may also be present in marxist, mainly social-democratic, systems.

"Unenlightened" in this context just underlines that plutarchy is not in the interest of the people, seen as a class as opposed to the superiors in rank and/or income. Plutarchy is practically always "unenlightened", a bad form of system/management seen from the people's perspective. In practice "enlightened plutarchy" does not exist, although there may be more or less of the unenlightened tendency. IIFOR


---- Original Message -----
From: Peter Khan Zendran
To: Anarchist International Information Service - AIIS ; kuriltai@lists.riseup.net
Cc: International newsmedia and mandated persons ; Anarchists and syndicalists etc.
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: The situation in Libya - dialog - update
Your response is filled with lies similar to those disseminated by anarchist provaceturs like food not bombs and love and resistance, be it about Libya or what people in america have to suffer through.
DO NOT send me any more of your material as I wish to have no dealings with reactionary provaceturs.
Peter Z



On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:45 +0100, "Anarchist International Information Service - AIIS" wrote:
Hi again P.K. Khan

As you may see already at the indexpage at www.anarchy.no USA has economical plutarchy, and is thus rather far from anarchy. See also the rather critical note on USA at the http://www.anarchy.no/andebate.html. USA has according to IIFOR about 42,5 % libertarian degree and 57,5 % authoritarian degree, a conservative liberalist system, and ranked as no 22 of countries according to libertarian degree.

However according to IIFOR's analysis, see the top of http://www.anarchy.no/ija141.html , Libya is ranked as no 68 and has about 32,5% libertarian degree and 67,5 authoritarian degree, a totalitarian fascist system with more 666 per thousand authoritarian degree - rather evil, but not as evil as Somalia with ochlarchy an rivaling polyarchy as system and only about 20% libertarian degree and 80% authoritarian degree.

As far as we know only friends broadly defined of Colonel Gadhafi have such fringe benefits as you mention, not the people in the east of Libya, and these fringe benefits are really only peanuts, and are of course not free, but paid by oil money, which could be distributed as real pay in stead, so people could buy what they want themselves for it.

An oilrich country like Libya could/should have an anarchist economic-political system, as the Anarchy of Norway, with about 54 % anarchy/libertarian degree, and only 46% authoritarian degree, and ranked as no 1 according to libertarian degree.

But Colonel Gadhafi has centralized most of the power, economically and political/administrative, on a few corrupt hands, that is why the system is totalitarian and fascist, and not anarchist.

No real opposition has been allowed in Libya, under Colonel Gadhafi's autocratic rule, see http://www.anarchy.no/oslo.html . And of course not now. He and his henchmen use live rounds and kill 'his own' (click on:) people.

Tunisia and Egypt, which are in embryo revolutions will very likely not be taken over by USA, but will probabaly be less influenced by USA. And anarchists do in general not sign up to Lenin's' marxist-leninist 'imperialist' theories, which it seems like you do.

The same is the future for Libya, an anarchists system as in Norway is possible there, if Colonel Gadhafi and his henchmen step down.

We have information that the tribes are co-operating already, thus there will not be ochlarchy and chaos, see http://www.anarchy.no/oslo.html if Colonel Gadhafi and his henchmen step down.

If you support Colonel Gadhafi's autocratic rule, see http://www.anarchy.no/oslo.html , you are probably on a non-anarchist, wrong economic-political track. Supporting ultra-authoritarian (click on:) totalitarian fascism as Colonel Gadhafi's autocratic rule/system is far from anarchist as far as our analysis suggest.

Feel free to continue the dialog, anarchism is a.o.t. based on dialog and free matter of fact (scientific) criticism.

We looke forward to hear more from you.

Hear from you...

@-greetings B. Hansen for AIIS www.anarchy.no





Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:47 AM


1. The last time I checked people in Libya under Qaddafi's system have free internet, electricity, gasoline, and other free ammenities which people in capatilist countries like america do not provide for their citizens. Also people in Libya, be they citizens or foreigners, recieve more rights than people in capatilist countries like america.
2. If Qaddafi were to fall so would other countries in the region, be it Algreia, Morocco, Iran, Jordan, etc who are fighting american/zionist/capatalist imperialism, thus leaving themselves open to invasion by milittary force, civil war which will cost the lives of millions, or further corporate control/exploitation of their resources by foreign powers as happened 100 years ago.
Peter Khan Zendran



On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:37 +0100, "Anarchist International Information Service - AIIS" wrote:
Hi P.K. Zendran

Thank you for interesting feedback. We will go into a dialog with you with the purpose of reaching reasonable consensus on basic points via discussion, and matter of fact scientific reasoning.

We think as a start we have reasonable arguments, but first we will like to know why you think a) Colonel Gadhafi and b) his system is c) anarchist, and d), why he should not step down, in this case.

Hear from you...

@-greetings B. Hansen for AIIS www.anarchy.no


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Khan Zendran
To: Anarchist International Information Service - AIIS ; International newsmedia and mandated persons ; Anarchists and syndicalists etc. ; kuriltai@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Important mail. T-update 100: Social-individualist anarchist tendency in the Egyptian revolt. The anarchist black flag with a white fist, a symbol of peaceful non-ochlarchical libertarian resistance is carried by many protesters. The situation in Liby


If you are demanding that Qaddafi step down then you are NOT anarchists, rather you are just like the very provaceturs who call themselves anarchists who I have dealt with since 2002.
Peter Khan Zendran



On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:37 +0100, "Anarchist International Information Service - AIIS" wrote:

Hi fellow(s) - Important message!

IJA 1 (41), see below, is usually updated 2-3 times a day from about noon to midnight GMT + 1. We have the probably best coverage of the North African and Middle East revolts and (embryo) revolutions. We usually don't send updates per e-mail. Feel free to click on the link to IJA 1 (41) below to follow the news, analysis and comments, several times a day. Be updated, and discuss the updates with your fellows and own network (including AIIS etc)!

@-greetings - AIIS - www.anarchy.no

PS. Feel free to forward this e-mail to your own network!


* Read: Qatar, Tunisia, Egypt and other Arab countries on the economic-political map, including the popular revolt in Egypt - Frequently updated - Click here! *

From IJA 1/11 (41) Web: http://www.anarchy.no/ija141.html - Updated:
T-update 100: Social-individualist anarchist tendency in the Egyptian revolt. The anarchist black flag with a white fist, a symbol of peaceful
non-ochlarchical libertarian resistance is carried by many protesters. The situation in Libya.

22.02.2011. Social-individualist anarchist tendency in the Egyptian revolt. The anarchist black flag with a white fist, a symbol of peaceful non-ochlarchical libertarian resistance is carried by many protesters. The situation in Libya.

The anarchist black flag with a white fist, a symbol of peaceful and non-ochlarchical libertarian resistance, was carried by many through the streets of Cairo a.o.t. during the symbolic revolution that ousted president Hosni Mubarak. This is a symbol used by peaceful non-ochlarchical anarchists in different mixes at least since the 1970s. Black stands for anarchism, the fist for resistance or protest, and white for peace and the non-ochlarchical. This time it was probably imported via the Canvas (Center for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies, Serbia and international), rooted back to Otpor (Resistance), that some paranoid marxist leftists think is run by the CIA. It is however likely that organizations and individuals in USA, also some with links to CIA, may have given some money to Canvas, as many others world wide have. Canvas in general exaggerates its influence.

But Canvas' program and ideas stand on its own feet, i.e. a somewhat Tolstoy-inspired but secular, non-violent, form of social-individualist anarchism and resistance. Canvas' strategy and Tolstoy-inspired strategies in general have however its limitations, and may be manipulated in contra-revolutionary direction. But it is useful as a part of a more general strategy: As mentioned a development towards real democracy in Egypt must be done by the people's actions, i.e. act with dignity, use real matter of fact arguments and add weight behind via direct actions, including industrial actions, and via organization, dialog and elections. The main strategy of The Anarchist International - AI/IFA is basically neither pacifism nor terrorism, and for as little as possible violence. The limitations of a pacifist strategy are clear in Libya, and the policy in Egypt was not 100% pacifist. For more information about the main anarchist strategy, see Antimilitarism - an anarchist approach - IJA 2 (38) and The International Conference on Terrorism - IJA 4 (31).

Anyway Canvas' influence in Egypt was and is limited, although in 2009, in Belgrade, Canvas gave Egyptian youthgroup April 6 lessons in peaceful protest. The Egyptians however did not adopt some of Otpor's more whimsical tactics. The influence of The Anarchist International - AI/IFA, and all its sections, see The official link-site of AI/IFA, including The International Workers of the World - Egyptian section and The Anarchist Confederation of Africa - Egyptian section, is most likely more important in this connection. A somewhat anarchist, and mainly social-individualist anarchist tendency, with an Egyptian local touch, was and is significant in the still mostly informal people's movement in the country. The anarchist black flag with a white fist, a symbol of peacful non-ochlarchical libertarian resistance is carried by many protesters in Egypt.

Social-individualism, a libertarian tendency, is a centrist and progressive moderate form of anarchism, also called the third alternative, located between advanced social-democratic marxism and advanced social-liberalism on the economic-political map. Many social-individualists don't label themselves as anarchists for different reasons, but they are practically certain all de facto mainly moderate libertarians, i.e. for freedom and real democracy.




The anarchist black flag with a white fist, a symbol of peaceful non-ochlarchical libertarian resistance is carried by many during protests in Egypt.

By the way, the ultra-authoritarian, totalitarian, Muslim Brotherhood is sometimes sailing unders false anarchist black flag, documented by BBC 04.02.2011, and the International Anarchist Tribunal - IAT-APT handed out a Brown Card to the islamist movement for this serious break of the Oslo Convention.

Social-individualism, i.e. moderate libertarianism, including freedom and real democracy, is today an important tendency, especially regarding the middle to long term aim, also in Tunisia and in many other oppositions in North Africa and the Middle East. The earlier dominant islamist oppositions are less important today because the oppositions are broader people's movements, but islamism represents a contra-revolutionary strategic danger.

Libya: Gadhafi vows to die a martyr, calls on supporters to fight protesters in the street, Asscoiated Press reported: Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi vowed to fight on to his "last drop of blood" and roared at his supporters to take to the streets against protesters in a furious, fist-pounding speech Tuesday after two nights of bloodshed in the capital as his forces tried to crush the uprising that has fragmented his regime. Gadhafi's call portended a new round of mayhem in the capital of 2 million people. The night before, residents described a rampage by pro-regime militiamen, who shot on sight anyone found in the streets and opened fire from speeding vehicles at people watching from windows of their homes. Tuesday morning, bodies still lay strewn in some streets. Gunshots in celebration were heard after Gadhafi's speech, aired on state TV and on a screen to several hundred supporters in Tripoli's central Green Square, witnesses said.

Swathed in brown robes and a turban, the country's leader for nearly 42 years spoke from behind a podium in the entrance of his bombed-out Tripoli residence hit by US airstrikes in the 1980s and left unrepaired as a symbol of defiance. At times the camera panned back to show the outside of the building and its towering monument of a gold-colored fist crushing an American fighter jet. But the view also gave a surreal image of Gadhafi, shouting and waving his arms wildly all alone in a broken-down lobby with no audience, surrounded by torn tiles dangling from the ceiling, shattered concrete pillars and bare plumbing pipes. "Libya wants glory, Libya wants to be at the pinnacle, at the pinnacle of the world," he proclaimed, pounding his fist on the podium. "I am a fighter, a revolutionary from tents ... I will die as a martyr at the end," he said, vowing to fight "to my last drop of blood."

Gadhafi [falsely] depicted the protesters as misguided youths, who had been given drugs and money by a "small, sick group" to attack police and government buildings. He said the uprising was fomented by "bearded men" - a reference to islamic fundamentalists - and Libyans living abroad. He called on supporters to take to the streets to attack protesters. "You men and women who love Gadhafi ... get out of your homes and fill the streets," he said. "Leave your homes and attack them in their lairs." "The police cordons will be lifted, go out and fight them," he said, urging youth to form local committees across the country "for the defense of the revolution and the defense of Gadhafi." "Forward, forward, forward!" he barked at the speech's conclusion, pumping both fists in the air as he stormed away from the podium. He was kissed by about a dozen supporters, some in security force uniforms. Then he climbed into a golf cart-like vehicle and puttered away.

The turmoil in the capital escalates a week of protests and bloody clashes in Libya's eastern cities that have shattered Gadhafi's grip on the nation. Many cities in the east appeared to be under the control of protesters after units of Gadhafi's army defected. Protesters in the east claimed to hold several oil fields and facilities and said they were protecting them against damage or vandalism. The regime has been hit by a string of defections by ambassadors abroad, including its UN delegation, and a few officials at home. In response, Gadhafi's security forces have unleashed the bloodiest crackdown of any Arab country against the wave of protests sweeping the region, which toppled leaders of Egypt and Tunisia. At least 62 people were killed in violence in Tripoli since Sunday, according to the New York-based Human Rights Watch, but it cautioned that that figure came from only two hospitals. That comes on top of at least 233 people killed across the so far in the uprising, counted by the group from hospitals around the country.

The head of the UN human rights agency, Navi Pillay, called for an investigation, saying widespread and systematic attacks against civilians "may amount to crimes against humanity." The UN Security Council was holding an emergency session Tuesday, and Western diplomats were pushing for it to demand an end to the retaliation against protesters. Libya's deputy UN ambassador Ibrahim Dabbashi called Monday for the world body to enforce a no-fly zone over cities to prevent mercenaries and military equipment from reaching the regime. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said it was up to the council whether to discuss the proposal.

The first major protests to hit an OPEC country - and major supplier to Europe - sent oil prices soaring to more than $93 a barrel Tuesday. A string of international oil companies have begun evacuating their expatriate workers or their families, and the Spanish oil company Repsol-YPF said it suspended production in Libya on Tuesday. It accounted for about 3.8 percent of Libya's total production of 1.6 million barrels a day. World leaders also have expressed outrage. US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called on Gadhafi to "stop this unacceptable bloodshed" and said the world was watching the events "with alarm."

Tripoli streets were largely empty during the day Tuesday, except for people venturing out for food, wary of militia attacks. One man in his 50s said residents of his neighborhood were piling up roadblocks of concrete, bricks and wood to try to slow militiamen. He said he had seen several streets with funeral tents mourning the dead. He described spending the night before barricaded in his home, blankets over the windows, as militiamen rampaged in the streets until dawn. Buses unloaded militia fighters - Libyans and foreigners - in several neighborhoods. Others sped in vehicles with guns mounted on the top, opening fire, including at people watching from windows, he said. "I know of two different families, one family had a 4-year-old who was shot and killed on a balcony in the eastern part of the city, and another lady on the balcony was shot in the head," he said. He, like other residents, contacted by the Associated Press, spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation.

One of the heaviest battlegrounds was the impoverished, densely populated district of Fashloum. There, militiamen shot any "moving human being" with live ammunition, including ambulances, so wounded were left in the streets to die, one resident said. He said that as he fled the neighborhood Monday night, he ran across a group of militiamen, including foreign fighters. "The Libyans (among them) warned me to leave and showed me bodies of the dead and told me: `We were given orders to shoot anybody who moves in the place,'" said the resident. Militias - which many witnesses say include foreign fighters who appear to be from sub-Saharan Africa - have taken the forefront in the crackdown in Tripoli. That is in part because Gadhafi has traditionally kept his military and other armed forces weakened to prevent any challenge.

The week of upheaval in Libya has weakened - if not broken for now - the control of Gadhafi's regime in parts of the east. Protesters claim to control a string of cities across just under half of Libya's 1,600-kilometer-long (1,000 mile) Mediterranean coast, from the Egyptian border in the east to the city of Ajdabiya, an important site in the oil fields of central Libya, said Tawfiq al-Shahbi, a protest organizer in the eastern city of Tobruk. He said had visited the crossing station into Egypt and that border guards had fled. In Tobruk and Benghazi, the country's second largest city, protesters were raising the pre-Gadhafi flag of Libya's monarchy on public buildings, he and other protesters said. Protesters and local tribesmen were protecting several oil fields and facilities around Ajdabiya, said Ahmed al-Zawi, a resident there. They had also organized watch groups to guard streets and entrances to the city, he said.

Residents are also guarding one of Libya's main oil export ports, Zuweita, and the pipelines feeding into it, he said. The pipelines are off and several tankers in the part left empty, said al-Zawi, who said he visited Zuweita on Tuesday morning. In Benghazi, protesters over the weekend overran police stations and security headquarters, taking control of the streets with the help of army units that broke away and sided with them. Benghazi residents, however, remained in fear of a regime backlash. One doctor in the city said Tuesday many spent the night outside their homes, hearing rumors that airstrikes and artillery assaults were imminent. "We know that although we are in control of the city, Gadhafi loyalists are still here hiding and they can do anything anytime," he said.

Gadhafi, the longest serving Arab leader, appeared briefly on TV early Tuesday to dispel rumors that he had fled. Sitting in a car in front of what appeared to be his residence and holding an umbrella out of the passenger side door, he told an interviewer that he had wanted to go to the capital's Green Square to talk to his supporters gathered there, but the rain stopped him. "I am here to show that I am in Tripoli and not in Venezuela. Don't believe those misleading dog stations," Gadhafi said, referring to the media reports that he had left the country. The video clip and comments lasted less than a minute. But Tuesday evening's speech lasted well over a half hour. During it, Gadhafi recounting his days as a young revolutionary leader who "liberated" Libya - a reference to the 1969 military coup that brought him to power - and his defiance against US airstrikes.

He insisted that since he has no official title, he cannot resign - Gadhafi is referred to as the "brother leader," but is not president. He [falsely] said he had not ordered police to use any force force used against protesters [i.e. the people] - that his supporters had come out voluntarily to defend him. "I haven't ordered a single bullet fired," he [falsely] said, warning that if he does, "everything will burn." He said that if protests didn't end, he would stage a "holy march" with millions of supporters to cleanse Libya. He demanded protesters in Benghazi hand over weapons taken from captured police stations and military bases, warning of separatism and civil war. "No one allows his country to be a joke or let a mad man separate a part of it," he declared.

The Anarchist International - AI/IFA and all its sections, see The official link-site of AI/IFA, including the anarchosyndicalist labor confederation International Workers of the World and The Anarchist Confederation of Africa, declared: "We call on Colonel Gaddafi and his henchmen to step down - NOW!... i.e. if not today, within a few days or weeks!! And we call on the Libyan people: Remember Direct Action and Antimilitarism - an anarchist approach - IJA 2 (38) & The International Conference on Terrorism - IJA 4 (31)!!!"













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